A Response to the Idea of Removing the ‘Natural Born Citizen’ Clause from our Constitution | by Attorney Mario Apuzzo

Constitutional Article II Presidential Eligibility Clause Scholar and Attorney Mario Apuzzo. Click on image for more information.

A Response to the Idea of Removing the ‘Natural Born Citizen’ Clause from our Constitution | by Attorney Mario Apuzzo

University of Richmond School of Law Professor Kevin C. Walsh proposes ridding our Constitution of its “natural born Citizen” clause. See his article, “The ‘Irish Born’ One American Citizenship Amendment,” here:  http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3165238 .

Professor Walsh writes that the original Constitution is not perfect and it is time to change its actual text. In that connection, he advocates that naturalized American citizens should be eligible to be President. He states: “There are not two classes of American citizenship, just one. It is time to repeal the Natural Born Citizen Clause.” People have posted comments to his article and Mr. Walsh addresses them here

http://reason.com/volokh/2018/05/17/replies-to-comments-on-a-constitutional and here http://beforeitsnews.com/libertarian/2018/05/replies-to-comments-on-a-constitutional-amendment-to-repeal-the-natural-born-citizen-clause-2712011.html . I have picked two of the questions and Mr. Walsh’s responses for my own comment. They are:

  1. Question: If very few people care much about this amendment, why would anyone sponsor it?

Mr. Walsh’s response: Putting aside the fact that it is good for America generally, uses include: (1) deflection of false “anti-immigrant” accusations based on a lawmaker’s stance against illegal immigration; (2) attraction of votes from naturalized citizens and their friends; (3) rejection of “blood and soil” nationalism.

My comment: We are supposed to believe without any explanation that this amendment would be “good for America generally.” To avoid “’anti-immigrant’ accusations,” we are told we need to change our presidential eligibility by getting rid of the natural born citizen clause, a clause that the Framers included in the Constitution for national security’s sake. We are also told to change our presidential eligibility so that some unstated person or party can garner more votes at the polls. And the best of all, Mr. Walsh tells us that removing the natural born citizen clause will get rid of “’blood and soil’ nationalism” from American politics. In his actual article, he calls it “’blood and soil’ white nationalism.” In that article he also says that politicians should be amendable to advocating getting rid of the natural born citizen clause to give the appearance of not being anti-immigrant(“easy inoculation against the virulent accusation of being anti-immigrant”) and not being associated with people who advocate such a bad idea. His plan for getting the amendment accomplished is for Democrats to set up Republican to do the job for them. His scheme is for two-thirds of both Houses of Congress to propose the amendment, led by Republicans who for the sake of winning elections should want to give voters the appearance that they are not anti-immigrant or racists and supported by Democrats who are already on board. It looks like in Mr. Walsh’s world, there should be no problem with “Russian collusion.” Did it ever occur to Mr. Walsh that blood and soil is what makes a nation state and that it is the energy which when used properly keeps people free?

  1. Question: What about competing loyalties to country of birth for a candidate who is a naturalized citizen?

Professor Walsh’s response: Let’s remember we’re only talking about eligibility. Presumably voters can decide about allegiance. And there’s no good reason to treat circumstances of birth as a reliable proxy. (The Manchurian Candidate was born in the United States.) With respect to competing loyalties more generally, the naturalization process requires a choice and newly naturalized Americans are akin to converts.

My comment: What Professor Walsh does not address is the question of whether it is voters or parties who produce our elected leaders. He should examine why the Framers guaranteed the States a republican form of government and gave us the Electoral College as part of the process for electing our President and Commander in Chief. If voters without more can in the heat and partisanship of an election be trusted to make the right decision about who shall be the single person to wield not only the executive power, but also all our military power, then why even have a Constitution or even laws? Will Professor Walsh next be advocating getting rid of our republican form of government and replace it with mob rule? He states that citizenship is no guarantee of allegiance. If the natural born citizen clause is to die because it is not a guarantee of loyalty, then why have the age and residency eligibility requirements or any requirements for that matter? Finally, he tells us that a naturalized person is as loyal as a natural born citizen because naturalization requires “a choice.” What he fails to tell us is what exactly is that choice and how does it relate to allegiance to the United States.

Needless to say, I am not impressed with the reasons that Mr. Walsh puts forth for justifying his proposal to remove the natural born citizen clause from presidential eligibility and ultimately from the Constitution. The Framers inserted the clause into the Constitution to assure that the constitutional republic would be preserved by requiring that the nation be led in international relations and military combat by a person who had undivided allegiance and loyalty to the United States. For those reasons, the clause is worth preserving.  …  continue reading at:  http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-response-to-theidea-of-removing.html

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Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution – The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same | by CDR Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. (Ret):  http://www.scribd.com/doc/11737124/Citizenship-Terms-Used-in-the-U-S-Constitution-The-5-Terms-Defined-Some-Legal-Reference-to-Same

Also read this White Paper essay – The Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How the Natural Born Citizen Term was Put Into Our U.S. Constitution as to Eligibility for the Office of the President | by CDR Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. (Ret):  http://www.scribd.com/doc/300919680/The-Who-What-When-Where-Why-and-How-of-the-natural-born-Citizen-Term-in-Our-U-S-Constitution

CDR Charles Kerchner, P.E. (Retired)
Lehigh Valley PA USA
http://www.protectourliberty.org/
https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/
http://www.scribd.com/user/52640192/protectourliberty/lists

P.S. Also read this essay regarding the legal term of art “natural born Citizen” and basic logic, i.e., trees are plants but not all plants are trees. Natural born Citizens are a subset of “born Citizens (citizens at birth)” but not all “born Citizens (citizens at birth)” are “natural born Citizens”: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/of-natural-born-citizens-and-citizens-at-birth-and-basic-logic-trees-are-plants-but-not-all-plants-are-trees-natural-born-citizens-nbc-are-citizens-at-birth-cab-but-not-all-cab/ … AND … http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html

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The Southern Poverty Law Center – Institution of Weaponized Hate | by James Simpson

The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) – Institution of Weaponized Hate | by James Simpson | @ TheSocialContract.com

     Since the election of Donald Trump as 45th president of the United States, the leftist under-ground has surfaced in an unprecedented, full-
throated effort to neutralize his historic victory. This underground includes violent communist, socialist, and anarchist street thugs from groups like Refuse Fascism (the Revolutionary Communist Party), Antifa (anarchists and anarcho-syndicalists) and Black Lives Matter (socialists). But it also includes many Democrat politicians, judges, and bureaucrats at all levels of government, for example judges essentially governing from the bench with unconstitutional restraint orders, elected officials erecting sanctuary policies in direct defiance of the federal government, and media willing to give them all rhetorical cover.
     Running interference are groups like the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), who have joined the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) in an unholy alliance to attack and silence the Left’s critics. This war on speech has been going on for a long time, but over the past 17 months has reached a fever pitch. While we see Islamic terrorist attacks on Western targets almost daily now, CAIR literally threatens venues, organizers, and speakers who discuss the threats from Islamic terrorism and the Islamic supremacy doctrine of Shariah.
     And while CAIR goes on the warpath, the SPLC assists by labeling individuals and groups … continue reading James Simpson’s new article at:  http://www.thesocialcontract.com/pdf/twentyeight-three/tsc_28_3_simpson.pdf or at: TheSocialContract.com

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Obama the Enigma: Click on the image to learn more about Obama he does not want you to know.
Obama the Enigma: Click on the image to learn more about Obama he does not want you to know.

A warning from the past — some conspiracies are very real and are also large and well organized and in process for a long time. Such is the nature of far-left Marxist activities in the USA. The target of the seditious political conspiracy we are currently faced with is to destroy our U.S. Constitution, our Republic, our culture, and our military. Remember this quote from history: “We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism [now called Democratic Socialists of America] are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. … The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst.” Quote by: J. Edgar Hoover former FBI director. Source: Elks Magazine (August 1956).

[Sheriff Mack Says: Obama ID Documents Are Fake!]

[Sheriff Arpaio Says: Congress Must Act!]

Download a “Sheriff’s Kit” evidence of Obama document fraud at: http://www.wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com

Copy of AZ Chief Investigator Michael Zullo’s sworn affidavit attesting that Obama’s ID docs are forged: http://www.scribd.com/doc/141560833/Sworn-Affidavit-Provided-to-Alabama-Supreme-Court-by-AZ-CCP-Investigator-Michael-Zullo-Obama-ID-Docs-are-Forged

Copy of Evidence that Obama’s Selective Service (Draft) Registration Card is forged: http://www.scribd.com/doc/164956489/Obamas-Draft-Registration-Card-Forged-Per-AZ-Sheriff-Arpaio-Investigation-and-Retired-ICE-Agent-Stephen-Coffman

CDR Charles Kerchner, P.E. (Retired)
Lehigh Valley PA USA
http://www.protectourliberty.org/
https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/
http://www.scribd.com/user/52640192/protectourliberty/lists

P.S. Also read this essay regarding the legal term of art “natural born Citizen” and basic logic, i.e., trees are plants but not all plants are trees. Natural born Citizens are a subset of “born Citizens (citizens at birth)” but not all “born Citizens (citizens at birth)” are “natural born Citizens”: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/of-natural-born-citizens-and-citizens-at-birth-and-basic-logic-trees-are-plants-but-not-all-plants-are-trees-natural-born-citizens-nbc-are-citizens-at-birth-cab-but-not-all-cab/ … AND … http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html

Can It All Be A Coincidence? – The Video | by Don Fredrick

Don Fredrick – Author of Can It All Be A Coincidence? and The Complete Obama Timeline

Can It All Be A Coincidence? – The Video | by Don Fredrick

A lifelong advocate of freedom and free markets, author Don Fredrick has consistently promoted the reduction of government interference in both the personal and economic lives of Americans.

Video link:  http://youtu.be/hmvllZeDs1Q

Don Fredrick is the author of Colony 14, What You Don’t Know About Economics Can Hurt You, Can It All Be A Coincidence?, Who Is Donald Trump?, Proof That Liberals Are Nuts, More Proof That Liberals Are Nuts, Still More Proof That Liberals Are Nuts, Even More Proof That Liberals Are Nuts, Complete Proof That Liberals Are Nuts, and The Complete Obama Timeline—a 30-volume set of books covering the life of Barack Obama, from his birth in 1961 to his last day in the Oval Office. To find his books, visit Amazon.

The Chicago-born author lives in a snow-free, low-tax state where he spends his time reading, writing, and persuading others to abandon collectivism in favor of individual liberty. Don also paints portraits and landscapes and researches his family’s history. (Don’s sixth-great-grandfather sailed to the colonies on his own ship in 1750 and fought in the Pennsylvania Regiment during the War of Independence.)

Visit his website, The Complete Obama Timeline.

Follow him on Twitter: @Colony14.

Read and/or get a printed copy of this very enlightening essay about Obama that Don Fredrick wrote: Can It All Be A Coincidence?

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Obama the Enigma: Click on the image to learn more about Obama he does not want you to know.
Obama the Enigma: Click on the image to learn more about Obama he does not want you to know.

A warning from the past — some conspiracies are very real and are also large and well organized and in process for a long time. Such is the nature of far-left Marxist activities in the USA. The target of the seditious political conspiracy we are currently faced with is to destroy our U.S. Constitution, our Republic, our culture, and our military. Remember this quote from history: “We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism [now called Democratic Socialists of America] are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. … The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst.” Quote by: J. Edgar Hoover former FBI director. Source: Elks Magazine (August 1956).

[Sheriff Mack Says: Obama ID Documents Are Fake!]

[Sheriff Arpaio Says: Congress Must Act!]

Download a “Sheriff’s Kit” evidence of Obama document fraud at: http://www.wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com

Copy of AZ Chief Investigator Michael Zullo’s sworn affidavit attesting that Obama’s ID docs are forged: http://www.scribd.com/doc/141560833/Sworn-Affidavit-Provided-to-Alabama-Supreme-Court-by-AZ-CCP-Investigator-Michael-Zullo-Obama-ID-Docs-are-Forged

Copy of Evidence that Obama’s Selective Service (Draft) Registration Card is forged: http://www.scribd.com/doc/164956489/Obamas-Draft-Registration-Card-Forged-Per-AZ-Sheriff-Arpaio-Investigation-and-Retired-ICE-Agent-Stephen-Coffman

Maricopa County AZ Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse Investigative Reports into Obama’s Forged ID Docs: http://www.mcsoccp.org/joomla/

CDR Charles Kerchner, P.E. (Retired)
Lehigh Valley PA USA
http://www.protectourliberty.org/
https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/
http://www.scribd.com/user/52640192/protectourliberty/lists

P.S. Also read this essay regarding the legal term of art “natural born Citizen” and basic logic, i.e., trees are plants but not all plants are trees. Natural born Citizens are a subset of “born Citizens (citizens at birth)” but not all “born Citizens (citizens at birth)” are “natural born Citizens”: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/of-natural-born-citizens-and-citizens-at-birth-and-basic-logic-trees-are-plants-but-not-all-plants-are-trees-natural-born-citizens-nbc-are-citizens-at-birth-cab-but-not-all-cab/ … AND … http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html

Tucker Carlson Talks “FAKE DOCUMENTS” With Guest…But Not Obama’s

Obama Draft Registration Card Backdated and Forged

Tucker Carlson Talks “FAKE DOCUMENTS” With Guest…But Not Obama’s

(Mar. 22, 2018) — On Wednesday night’s edition of “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” host Tucker Carlson interviewed San Francisco District Attorney candidate Joe Alioto Veronese about Oakland, CA Mayor Libby Schaff’s warning last month to illegal aliens within her city that Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents would soon be in the Bay Area.

The enforcement of the nation’s immigration laws and arrest and deportation of criminal illegals was a cornerstone of President Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign. Since he took office in January of last year, ICE has arrested tens of thousands of criminal illegal aliens with a special emphasis on removing members of the deadly street gang, MS-13.

During last month’s Oakland operation, ICE reportedly netted 232 arrests criminal illegal aliens arrests, with the agency’s Acting Director, Thomas Homan, estimating that approximately 800 more were able to evade apprehension because of Schaaf’s warning.

During the six-minute interview with Veronese, Carlson pressed his guest, who once sat on the San Francisco Police Commission and currently practices law privately, whether or not Schaaf’s action were detrimental to upholding the nation’s immigration laws.  In response, Veronese said that “232 is really good” as a percentage of those ICE had targeted for arrest.

Carlson argued that Schaaf allowed “people to get away and commit other crimes” in the wake of a report earlier that day stating that three illegals who escaped ICE’s Oakland raid, presumably as a result of Schaaf’s tip-off, have since committed new crimes.

Veronese agreed with Carlson that “definitely violent” criminal illegal aliens should be arrested, provided due process, jailed if found guilty and then deported.

During the interview, Veronese remarked that the United States is a “law of nations,” although he most likely meant “nation of laws.”

At 4:11 in the video of the segment, Carlson said that illegal aliens working in the state of California are committing “fraud” by presumably using false identification.  “He’s using fake documents.  That’s a felony.  Is that not a big deal?  It seems like a big deal, post 9-11, to me.  Is that a concern for you, as someone running for DA, that someone’s using fake documents, fake identification documents?” Carlson continued.

“If it’s a violation of federal law, the federal enforcement should definitely take over…” Veronese began to respond, with Carlson vehemently speaking over him with, “It’s not a violation of California law to use a fraudulent ID for the purposes of getting a job or doing anything else…?”

Veronese affirmed that in San Francisco, non-U.S. citizens can obtain a “California ID” which is not “illegal” to use.  “So you don’t have to use fraudulent IDs,” he explained, presumably to obtain employment.

“Oh, yes, you do,” Carlson retorted, “because you need to produce a Social Security number, and if you’re here illegally, you can’t do that.  You can’t get a federal Social Security number.”

“You can’t produce a Social Security number that is accurate or reflective of…” Veronese began, invoking “a federal law,” although he was overpowered by Carlson’s interjection of “That is true.  But that’s not a problem for you.  You feel like, ‘Hey, hands off.’  Someone’s using a stolen ID, committing identity theft; a fake federal document in California is like, ‘You know what?  It’s not our business.’  Is that what’s you’re saying?”

“No, identity theft is an entirely different subject,” Veronese responded.  “But federal immigration enforcement or federal Social Security law is not the priority of San Francisco.”

Neither Carlson nor any other media personality, commentator or mainstream journalist will touch the fact that former White House occupant Barack Hussein Obama was found to have used falsified identification during his eight years in office.  …

Continue reading at: http://www.thepostemail.com/2018/03/22/did-obama-commit-identity-fraud/

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Download a “Sheriff’s Kit” evidence of Obama document fraud at: http://www.wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com

Copy of AZ Chief Investigator Michael Zullo’s sworn affidavit attesting that Obama’s ID docs are forged: http://www.scribd.com/doc/141560833/Sworn-Affidavit-Provided-to-Alabama-Supreme-Court-by-AZ-CCP-Investigator-Michael-Zullo-Obama-ID-Docs-are-Forged

Copy of Evidence that Obama’s Selective Service (Draft) Registration Card is forged: http://www.scribd.com/doc/164956489/Obamas-Draft-Registration-Card-Forged-Per-AZ-Sheriff-Arpaio-Investigation-and-Retired-ICE-Agent-Stephen-Coffman

Maricopa County AZ Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse Investigative Reports into Obama’s Forged ID Docs: http://www.mcsoccp.org/joomla/

[Sheriff Mack Says: Obama ID Documents Are Fake!]

[Sheriff Arpaio Says: Congress Must Act!]

Obama the Enigma: Click on the image to learn more about Obama he does not want you to know.
Obama the Enigma: Click on the image to learn more about Obama he does not want you to know.

A warning from the past — some conspiracies are very real and are also large and well organized and in process for a long time. Such is the nature of far-left Marxist activities in the USA. The target of the seditious political conspiracy we are currently faced with is to destroy our U.S. Constitution, our Republic, our culture, and our military. Remember this quote from history: “We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism [now called Democratic Socialists of America] are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. … The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst.” Quote by: J. Edgar Hoover former FBI director. Source: Elks Magazine (August 1956).

CDR Charles Kerchner, P.E. (Retired)
Lehigh Valley PA USA
http://www.protectourliberty.org/
https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/
http://www.scribd.com/user/52640192/protectourliberty/lists

P.S. Also read this essay regarding the legal term of art “natural born Citizen” and basic logic, i.e., trees are plants but not all plants are trees. Natural born Citizens are a subset of “born Citizens (citizens at birth)” but not all “born Citizens (citizens at birth)” are “natural born Citizens”: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/of-natural-born-citizens-and-citizens-at-birth-and-basic-logic-trees-are-plants-but-not-all-plants-are-trees-natural-born-citizens-nbc-are-citizens-at-birth-cab-but-not-all-cab/ … AND … http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html