Are the Electoral College’s Votes Valid? Part II | by Sharon Rondeau | @ ThePostEmail.com
(Dec. 26, 2020) — Continuing from Part I of our interview with Atty. Mario Apuzzo on the role of Congress in determining who the next president will be, in this section Apuzzo explained that not only can Congress accept or reject the electoral votes cast for presidential and vice-presidential candidates on the basis of their validity under the 12th Amendment and Electoral Count Act (ECA) of 1877, but its members also have the responsibility under the 20th Amendment to ascertain whether or not all candidates qualify for the offices they seek.
On Sunday, in conjunction with the U.S. Allegiance Institute (USAI), Apuzzo released a letter and amicus curiae brief which members of the public can download, sign and send to their members of Congress urging that on January 6, when the two chambers of Congress meet in joint session for the counting of the electoral votes, all candidates be scrutinized for eligibility as well as whether or not the Electoral College vote count was “regularly given,” in accordance with the ECA.
On the night of November 3, Trump was winning in all six “swing” states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, only to be declared the loser in all as vote counts continued past November 3 and the media announced Biden the “projected winner” of more than the 270 electoral votes required to win on November 7.
Some in the media had oddly predicted that Trump would appear to be winning on November 3 and claim victory “before all the votes are counted.” For months prior to the election, media outlets speculated, quoting Democrat politicians, that Trump will “refuse to leave office” in the event of a Biden win.
“A large percentage of Americans do not think we had a legitimate election,” the USAI/Apuzzo letter to Congress reads on page 3. “While the immediate seizure of evidence and appointment by a Special Counsel, and a Congressional investigation following the election is necessary, you have enough evidence to now reject the electoral college votes of the offending battleground states, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin.”
During the first part of our interview, Apuzzo focused on the ECA, which he explained amended the 12th Amendment, which he in turn pointed out amended Article II of the U.S. Constitution dealing with how the president is elected. All electoral votes must be considered “regularly given” to be accepted by Congress, Apuzzo said, quoting the statute. “If the popular vote is not valid, then those electors didn’t receive votes that were regularly cast. So that’s the key: Congress is not bound by the Electoral Vote Act because it assumes that the votes were regularly cast.”
Article II, Section 1, clauses 1-3 of the “original” Constitution states:
Are the Electoral College’s Votes Valid? Part I | by Sharon Rondeau | @ ThePostEmail.com
(Dec. 22, 2020) — On Sunday, the U.S. Allegiance Institute (USAI) posted an eight-page letter urging Congress to file objections to the Electoral College votes to be submitted to Vice President Mike Pence on January 6, 2021, when both congressional chambers meet to count the votes for president and vice president on December 14 at state capitals around the country.
Equally important to consider and debate, the letter states, is the question as to whether or not the candidates “elected” by the members of the Electoral College “qualify” for the offices they seek under the 12th and 20th Amendments.
The 117th Congress will be sworn in on January 3. All “certificates” emanating from the Electoral College are due on December 23 at the offices of the vice president; each secretary of state; the national archivist; and all federal district judges where electoral votes were cast.
“On January 6, 2021, you will be asked to approve the Electoral College votes cast for former Vice President Joe Biden and Senator Kamala Harris and declare the winners of the presidential and vice-presidential election,” the letter begins. “We urge that on that day you count all the constitutionally cast Electoral College votes and object in writing to any which have been cast in violation of the Constitution and federal and state law.”
The USAI encourages all American citizens to send the letter to their U.S. representatives and senators, a point Apuzzo emphasized in an interview with The Post & Email Monday evening.
“The Constitution commands how you are to count all the Electoral College votes,” the letter continues. “You have solid ground on which to stand in making your objection. The first ground is tied to an illegal popular vote occurring in an offending state. The second ground is Senator Kamala Harris not being an Article II ‘natural born Citizen.’”
In 2008, Apuzzo represented CDR Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. (Ret) and three other plaintiffs in a lawsuit naming as defendants Barack Hussein Obama, II, then designated as “President Elect”; Congress and then-Vice President Richard B. Cheney, claiming Obama did not qualify as a “natural born Citizen” as required by Article II, Section 1, clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution to serve as president.
Obama’s claimed father was not a United States citizen when his son, Barack Hussein Obama II, was born, allegedly in Honolulu, HI on August 4, 1961. While Kerchner eventually reached the U.S. Supreme Court, it never received a hearing.
When determining whether a child born in the U.S. is an Article II “natural born Citizen,” the question is not whether the parents of the child are foreign born. Rather, the question is whether they are “citizens of the United States” at the time of the child’s birth in the United States. In Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875), our U.S. Supreme Court, providing the same definition of a “natural born citizen” as did Emer de Vattel in his The Law of Nations, Section 212 (1758), but without citing Vattel, and not in any way referring to the English common law, stated:
“The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens.”
Id., 169 U.S. at 679-80. So as we can see, the Supreme Court told us that a “natural born citizen” is a child born in the country to citizen parents. See also, U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 708 (1898) (distinguished between a “natural born Citizen” and a “citizen of the United States” and cited Vattel and quoted his definition of “natural born Citizen” as did Minor v. Happersett but relied on the English common law to define a born “citizen of the United States” under the 14th Amendment).
Harris was born in Oakland, CA in 1964 to non-citizens Shyamala Gopalan, a citizen of India present in the United States on an extended student visa; and Donald J. Harris, who had also arrived in the U.S. on a student visa from his birth country of Jamaica. At the time of Kamala’s birth, neither parent had resided in the U.S. the required five years to apply for permanent residency or citizenship. … continue reading at: https://www.thepostemail.com/2020/12/22/are-the-electoral-colleges-votes-valid-part-i/
David Ramsay (April 2, 1749 to May 8, 1815) was an American physician, patriot, and historian from South Carolina and a delegate from that state to the Continental Congress in 1782-1783 and 1785-1786. He was the Acting President of the United States in Congress Assembled. He was one of the American Revolution’s first major historians. A contemporary of Washington, Ramsay writes with the knowledge and insights one acquires only by being personally involved in the events of the Founding period. In 1785 he published History of the Revolution of South Carolina (two volumes), in 1789 History of the American Revolution (two volumes), in 1807 a Life of Washington, and in 1809 a History of South Carolina (two volumes). Ramsay “was a major intellectual figure in the early republic, known and respected in America and abroad for his medical and historical writings, especially for The History of the American Revolution (1789)…” Arthur H. Shaffer, Between Two Worlds: David Ramsay and the Politics of Slavery, J.S.Hist., Vol. L, No. 2 (May 1984). “During the progress of the Revolution, Doctor Ramsay collected materials for its history, and his great impartiality, his fine memory, and his acquaintance with many of the actors in the contest, eminently qualified him for the task….” … continue reading at: https://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/04/founder-and-historian-david-ramsay.html
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Click here for more about the founding generation leader, scholar, and noted historian David Ramsay, who was a peer of Franklin, Washington, and Jefferson, and his writings on the natural born Citizen term.
To get a PDF copy of David Ramsay’s 1789 Dissertation on Citizenship click here .
Constitution Day – 17 Sep 2020: A Lesson from History. Is Being Born a Citizen (Citizen at/by Birth) of the United States of Sufficient Citizenship Status to be President of the United States and Commander in Chief of Our Military? The Founders and Framers Emphatically Decided … No, It Was Not!
By: CDR Charles F. Kerchner, Jr., P.E. (Retired) 17 September 2020 – Constitution Day
During the process of developing the U.S. Constitution Alexander Hamilton submitted a suggested draft for a Constitution on June 18, 1787. At some point, he also suggested to the framers a proposal for the qualification requirements in Article II as to the necessary Citizenship status for the office of President and Commander in Chief of the Military. Another version of Hamilton’s proposed Constitution and which principles were stated during the convention’s deliberations per Madison notes and journal (see work of Farrand – pg 619), was given to Madison near the close of the convention for inclusion in Madison record of events for the convention. Hamilton’s proposed Constitution was not accepted.
Alexander Hamilton’s suggested presidential eligibility clause:
“No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States.”
Many of the founders and framers rightly had a fear of foreign influence on the person who would in the future be President of the United States since this particular office was singularly and uniquely powerful under the proposed new Constitution. The President was also to be the Commander in Chief of the military. This fear of foreign influence on a future President and Commander in Chief was particularly strongly felt by John Jay, who later became the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. He felt so strongly about the issue of potential foreign influence that he took it upon himself to draft a letter to General George Washington, the presiding officer of the Constitutional Convention, recommending/hinting that the framers should strengthen the Citizenship requirements. John Jay was an avid reader and proponent of natural law and particularly Vattel’s treatise on Natural Law and the Law of Nations. In his letter to Washington he said that the Citizenship requirement for the office of the commander of our armies should contain a “strong check” against foreign influence and he recommended to Washington that the command of the military be open only to a “natural born Citizen”. Thus Jay did not agree that simply being a “born Citizen” or “born a Citizen” was sufficient enough protection from foreign influence in the singular most powerful office in the new form of government. He wanted another adjective added to the eligibility clause, i.e., ‘natural’. And that word natural goes to the Citizenship status of one’s parents, both of them, when their child is born, as per natural law.
The below is the relevant proposed change language from Jay’s letter which he proposed to strengthen the citizenship requirements in Article II and to require more than just being a “born Citizen” of the United States to serve as a future Commander in Chief and President.
John Jay wrote in a letter to George Washington dated 25 Jul 1787:
“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen. “
See a transcription of Jay’s letter to Washington at this link. This letter from Jay was written on July 25, 1787. General Washington passed on the recommendation from Jay to the convention and it was adopted in the final draft and was accepted adding the adjective “natural” making it “natural born Citizen of the United States” for future Presidents and Commanders in Chief of the military, rather than Hamilton’s proposed “born a Citizen”. Thus Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution, the fundamental law of our nation reads:
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of U.S. Constitution as adopted 17 Sep 1787:
“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
There you have the crux of the issue now before the nation and the answer.
Hamilton’s proposed principles for a Constitution and a presidential citizenship eligibility requirement therein requiring that a Citizen simply had to be ‘born a Citizen’ of the USA, i.e., a Citizen by Birth. See Madison’s comment in his journal of the convention re this fact in which it reports as follows: ” … Copy of a paper Communicated to J. M. by Col. Hamilton, about the close of the Convention in Philada. 1787, which he said delineated the Constitution which he would have wished to be proposed by the Convention: He had stated the principles of it in the course of the deliberations. …” — 3 Max Farrand, The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, at 619-630 (1911) – page 619. But that citizenship status for who could be President was rejected by the framers as insufficient. Instead of allowing any person “born a citizen” to be President and Commander of the military, the framers chose to adopt the more stringent requirement recommended by John Jay via George Washington, i.e., requiring the Citizen to be a “natural born Citizen“, to block any chance of the person with foreign influence or allegiances or claims on their allegiance at birth from becoming President and Commander of the Military. No person having any foreign influence or claim of allegiance on them at birth could serve as a future President. The person must be a “natural born citizen” with unity of citizenship and sole allegiance to the United States at birth.
Jay’s proposal and recommended clause added the additional adjective of “natural” before simply being a “born Citizen” which was proposed by Hamilton. And that word and adjective “natural” means something special from the laws of nature that modifies just being born a Citizen of the USA such as being simply born on the soil of the United States. Natural means from nature by the facts of nature of one’s birth. Not created retroactively after the fact by a man-made law. A natural born Citizen needs no man-made law to bestow Citizenship on them. The added adjective “natural” comes from Natural Law which is recognized the world over as universal law and which is the foundation of the Law of Nations which was codified by Vattel in 1758 in his preeminent legal treatise used by the founders, The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law. In Vol.1 Chapter 19 of Vattel’s Law of Nations, the “Des citoyens et naturels“, Vattel in Section 212 explains to us (the French term “naturels” was translated to English in 1781 in the Journal of the Continental Congress and in the 1797 English edition of Vattel), to tell us that the “natural born Citizens” are those born in the country to parents (plural) who are Citizens of the country when their child is born. These are the natural Citizens of the nation per universal principles of natural law for which no man-made law is necessary to explain or justify. Such a person, a natural born Citizen, is born with unity of Citizenship and sole allegiance at birth due to having been both born on the soil AND being born to two Citizen parents. The person who would be President must be a second generation American with no foreign claims of allegiance on them at birth under the law of nations and natural law, the child of two Citizens and born in the USA. This is a much stronger check to foreign influence than simply being born a Citizen say on the soil of the USA but with one or the other parent being a foreigner, such as is the case of Obama. The situation with Obama’s birth Citizenship status is exactly the problem that the founders and framers did not want. They did not want the child of a foreign national, non-U.S. citizen serving as President and Commander of our military. This was a national security concern to them. And it is a national security concern now.
Another founder of our nation and great historian of the American Revolution named David Ramsay contemporaneously defined in a 1789 essay what the term “natural born Citizen” means. Read a copy of Ramsay’s original dissertation at this link. Other research papers from history on the term “natural born Citizen” published long before the current controversy was created by the 2008 election debacle can be read at this link. The paper by Breckenridge Long in 1916 is a particularly good one.
Barack Hussein Obama II may or may not be a born Citizen of the USA depending on what the 1961 contemporaneous birth registration documents sealed in Hawaii reveal. And Americans have good reason to be greatly concerned about the truth as to where he was physically born as opposed to where his birth may have been falsely registered by his maternal grandmother as occurring in Hawaii as this Catalog of Evidence details. But he can never be a “natural born Citizen of the United States” since his father was a foreigner, a British Subject who was never a U.S. Citizen and was not even an immigrant to the USA. Since his father was a British Subject and not a U.S. Citizen when Obama was born, Obama was born a British Subject. The founders and framers are probably rolling over in their graves knowing this person was sworn in as the putative President and Commander of our military.
The founders rejected acquisition of Citizenship by birth on the soil without consideration as to who were the parents. That is clear from the history and evolution of the writing the eligibility clause in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5, which specifies who can be President and Commander in Chief of the military.